The Most Disturbing News About Israel in Some Time.
Okay, I've been actively avoiding talking about the war in Israel. It's terrible and awful. Not just what is happening to our people, but what we are forced to do to protect our own. As Gold Meyer said "We can forgive them for killing our grandchildren, but we can never forgive them for making us kill theirs".
Now, having established myself as a Dirty Liberal Hippy, I'd like to link this article:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/ISRAEL_PAT_ROBERTSON?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Cutting and pasting:
Pat Robertson Prays for Israeli Victory
JERUSALEM (AP) -- U.S. televangelist Pat Robertson said he joined hands Wednesday with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to pray for victory in Lebanon.
"I'm here to say I love Israel. I'm here to say evangelical Christians in America stand with Israel in their struggle," Robertson told reporters. "For all our sakes, they cannot lose this struggle."
The session in Olmert's office followed a tense six-hour meeting of the Israeli Security Cabinet, which decided to expand the monthlong ground offensive in Lebanon.
"I think the people of Israel understand where their friends are, and their friends are evangelical Christians," Robertson said.
Robertson said the struggle against Israel was part of a larger struggle against what he called "Islamo-fascism," and suggested that Iran was behind Hezbollah's initial attack on Israel on July 12 that triggered a massive Israeli response, trying to draw attention away from its nuclear program.
Robertson broadcast his show, The 700 Club, from the northern town of Metulla, which is surrounded on three sides by Lebanon. He said Katyusha rockets fell nearby while he was conducting an interview, and joked that his daughter thought it odd that her 76-year-old father went to a war zone to "get his kicks."
Let me repeat that bolded bit again:
"I think the people of Israel understand where their friends are, and their friends are evangelical Christians," Robertson said.
Okay, I'm going to say something that may earn me flak, but I'm going to say it:
With friends like you Pat, The Jewish People don't need enemies.
It's important to remember that we are, all of us, in Galut (exile), no matter where we live. Does anyone else recall what this Galut is called? Glaut Edom - The Roman Exile. Rome equals Christianity, folks.
Prior to the 20th century, Jews lived far, far better in Arab Rules lands than they did in Christian rules ones and that's when we were allowed to live in them at all.
An illustration:
When Napoleon conquered Egypt, he went to find the local Ghetto to free the Jews. It was his big photo-op that he did whenever he conquered a city. Know what? No-one in Egypt even knew what a ghetto was. They ended up taking him to the Great Synagogue of Alexandria, where he walked in on Tisha B'av services, but that's a story for another time.
My point? Historically Jews tended to fair far better under the Sword of Islam than under the Brotherhood of Christianity.
Even the current conflict can be blamed squarely on the Christian Nations of the world if we want to look at history. The US and USSR used the Middle Eastern nations as proxy sites with which to keep the Cold War a bit warmer than it would have been otherwise.
Even now, as Israelis are dying and Lebanon's innocents are caught in the middle of our quest to get to some truly horrid scum, Evangelical Christians are flocking to message boards to say how they hope this is a sign of the Second Coming and cheering as others die. It's sick.
Rav Aaron Solvetchik once reminded his talmidim that "Yishmael eventually does T'shuva [repentance], Essav never does."
Before we join hands with Edom, can we at least ask him to wash the blood off of it first?
Now, having established myself as a Dirty Liberal Hippy, I'd like to link this article:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/ISRAEL_PAT_ROBERTSON?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Cutting and pasting:
Pat Robertson Prays for Israeli Victory
JERUSALEM (AP) -- U.S. televangelist Pat Robertson said he joined hands Wednesday with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to pray for victory in Lebanon.
"I'm here to say I love Israel. I'm here to say evangelical Christians in America stand with Israel in their struggle," Robertson told reporters. "For all our sakes, they cannot lose this struggle."
The session in Olmert's office followed a tense six-hour meeting of the Israeli Security Cabinet, which decided to expand the monthlong ground offensive in Lebanon.
"I think the people of Israel understand where their friends are, and their friends are evangelical Christians," Robertson said.
Robertson said the struggle against Israel was part of a larger struggle against what he called "Islamo-fascism," and suggested that Iran was behind Hezbollah's initial attack on Israel on July 12 that triggered a massive Israeli response, trying to draw attention away from its nuclear program.
Robertson broadcast his show, The 700 Club, from the northern town of Metulla, which is surrounded on three sides by Lebanon. He said Katyusha rockets fell nearby while he was conducting an interview, and joked that his daughter thought it odd that her 76-year-old father went to a war zone to "get his kicks."
Let me repeat that bolded bit again:
"I think the people of Israel understand where their friends are, and their friends are evangelical Christians," Robertson said.
Okay, I'm going to say something that may earn me flak, but I'm going to say it:
With friends like you Pat, The Jewish People don't need enemies.
It's important to remember that we are, all of us, in Galut (exile), no matter where we live. Does anyone else recall what this Galut is called? Glaut Edom - The Roman Exile. Rome equals Christianity, folks.
Prior to the 20th century, Jews lived far, far better in Arab Rules lands than they did in Christian rules ones and that's when we were allowed to live in them at all.
An illustration:
When Napoleon conquered Egypt, he went to find the local Ghetto to free the Jews. It was his big photo-op that he did whenever he conquered a city. Know what? No-one in Egypt even knew what a ghetto was. They ended up taking him to the Great Synagogue of Alexandria, where he walked in on Tisha B'av services, but that's a story for another time.
My point? Historically Jews tended to fair far better under the Sword of Islam than under the Brotherhood of Christianity.
Even the current conflict can be blamed squarely on the Christian Nations of the world if we want to look at history. The US and USSR used the Middle Eastern nations as proxy sites with which to keep the Cold War a bit warmer than it would have been otherwise.
Even now, as Israelis are dying and Lebanon's innocents are caught in the middle of our quest to get to some truly horrid scum, Evangelical Christians are flocking to message boards to say how they hope this is a sign of the Second Coming and cheering as others die. It's sick.
Rav Aaron Solvetchik once reminded his talmidim that "Yishmael eventually does T'shuva [repentance], Essav never does."
Before we join hands with Edom, can we at least ask him to wash the blood off of it first?
posted by - Typo Lad | 2:28 AM
6 Comments:
Over the centuries many of the Jewish people's problems have been caused by self-styled "Freinds of the jews" - like the muslim rulers of Spain who used the Jews to help run the country for them; like the medieval Christian rulers who used "SchutzJuden" to do their banking for them; like Peter the Great who allowed Jews to settle in Russian-controlled Poland free of many of the restrictions they faced elsewhere in Europe.
What they all had in common was that they weren't our "friends" because they liked us or shared our values. The Moors needed administrators who spoke the local languages; the medieval princes were trying oo evade th Catholic church's ban on charging interest; Peter wanted to build up the tax base in his newly-acquired Polish lands.
Similarly Robertson and many of his evangelical brethren (not all by any means) and other so-called supporters of Israel on hte right, are "friends" of Israel because they see it as fulfilling biblical prophecy or as a way of fighting their war against Islam by proxy.
With friends like those I think I'll settle for Hitler and Nasrallah - at least you know where you stand with them.
By the way, if the Messiah is supposed to return when Israel is on the verge of defeat, shouldn't Pat be rooting for Hezbolla
Anonymous,
It was Catherine the Great, not Peter the Great, who got control over much of Poland; she lived a century later. She was no friend to Jews, though.
Chaver,
I do have to point out that Ibn Ezra did not agree that Rome=Edom. But I agree 100% that Pat Robertson is no friend. His writings can accurately be called anti-Semitic. And his church organization, the Southern Baptist Convention, has targeted over five million Jews for conversion to Christianity -- and that is just outside the US.
I think that this is just a case of Pat Robertson becoming more of a "politician" than he's been in the past - the common sentiment is that Israel is the oppressed this time around, so that's the side that he's taking. Once the media start villifying Israel again, he'll find a new "friend" and leave us by the wayside again (or try to take advantage of his new "friend" status to make Israel call a cease-fire?)
Drum, we're talking comparatively here. No-one is saying that Yishmael has always been our chums. However, if you took all the dead bodies of Jews killed by Islam and all the dead bodies of Jews killed by Christianity and put them in football stadiums, Christianity would be ahead by a whole lot.
And that's not even counting souls lost to conversion and intermarriage.
Typo,
I understand looking at the past and trying to say who has less blood on their hands. And I'll agree that, historically, as bad as Islam has been to Jews, Christianity has been worse.
But, when examining the present for who is more friendly - Islam or Christianity - Christianity is the clear winner.
I didn't understand your comment about conversion and intermarriage. Are you talking historically? If not, are you saying that there isn't conversion and intermarriage to Islam? (My understanding was Islam is the fastest growing religion.)
Drum,
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
As for conversion, while I did mean historically, most of the modern cases I know of involve either Atheism or Christianity. Not sure where I can find stats for it though, so let's drop that.
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